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		<title>By: A writer, copy editor and editor</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/copy-edits-part-1/comment-page-1#comment-3235</link>
		<dc:creator>A writer, copy editor and editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now how do I copy edit that last post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now how do I copy edit that last post!</p>
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		<title>By: A writer, copy editor and editor</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/copy-edits-part-1/comment-page-1#comment-3234</link>
		<dc:creator>A writer, copy editor and editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article, so true to form. Every editor and author should read this and not trust blindly to the copy editing process. 

It&#039;s effectively the quality control stage of the book manufacturing process. Tragically I&#039;ve known many instances, as a writer, where the editor doesn&#039;t even read the changes made - to the point where they make a mockery of the English language and the author&#039;s intent. As a copy editor I can also tell you one of the prime reasons for bad copy edits is poor briefing and lack of care.

For example, one brief I received from a publisher: &quot;I don&#039;t care what you write just make sure there&#039;s plenty of blue ink on the page.&quot;

Yikes!

RE &#039;Not an Editor, BUT says&#039; post, I think you&#039;re missing the point here. An author might work on a piece of historical fiction for two years, but a copy editor can work on it for two days or two weeks - it is their job to catch mistakes, not introduce more.

I&#039;ve also worked in corporate comms and can tell you, as an author/writer. it&#039;s also a lot easier than working with ineffective copy editors/editors, at least there if you have to waste hours, days or weeks with clients who don&#039;t know what they are doing and you can charge by the hour.

But then you don&#039;t have the creative freedom to write about what interests you.

Do both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, so true to form. Every editor and author should read this and not trust blindly to the copy editing process. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s effectively the quality control stage of the book manufacturing process. Tragically I&#8217;ve known many instances, as a writer, where the editor doesn&#8217;t even read the changes made &#8211; to the point where they make a mockery of the English language and the author&#8217;s intent. As a copy editor I can also tell you one of the prime reasons for bad copy edits is poor briefing and lack of care.</p>
<p>For example, one brief I received from a publisher: &#8220;I don&#8217;t care what you write just make sure there&#8217;s plenty of blue ink on the page.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yikes!</p>
<p>RE &#8216;Not an Editor, BUT says&#8217; post, I think you&#8217;re missing the point here. An author might work on a piece of historical fiction for two years, but a copy editor can work on it for two days or two weeks &#8211; it is their job to catch mistakes, not introduce more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also worked in corporate comms and can tell you, as an author/writer. it&#8217;s also a lot easier than working with ineffective copy editors/editors, at least there if you have to waste hours, days or weeks with clients who don&#8217;t know what they are doing and you can charge by the hour.</p>
<p>But then you don&#8217;t have the creative freedom to write about what interests you.</p>
<p>Do both.</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/copy-edits-part-1/comment-page-1#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not an Editor, BUT&quot; -- never before has one been so aptly named.  New to the exciting and mysterious world of punctuation? 

Right on, Laura!  If you ever find the store carrying those chairs that think, please let me know.  I think they&#039;d look great in my kids&#039; bedrooms.  

CSL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not an Editor, BUT&#8221; &#8212; never before has one been so aptly named.  New to the exciting and mysterious world of punctuation? </p>
<p>Right on, Laura!  If you ever find the store carrying those chairs that think, please let me know.  I think they&#8217;d look great in my kids&#8217; bedrooms.  </p>
<p>CSL</p>
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		<title>By: Not an Editor, BUT</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/copy-edits-part-1/comment-page-1#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>Not an Editor, BUT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura, you really need to pull your head out of your proverbial and know that an equal number of travesties are caused by arrogant  writers refusing the advice of editors, then being slammed by critics for sloppiness, or worse, poor editing. And please don&#039;t justify your stand with, &quot;we are the creators&quot;. I have seen too many books reworked BY THE EDITOR - in &#039;conjunction&#039; with the author: re-working plot, and yes, uncovering historical absurdities (&quot;Oh, but it&#039;s fiction!!&quot;). Many authors don&#039;t know where to stick a comma or understand that it conveys meaning. 
I tell you what everyone, if you&#039;re interested in becoming a copy-editor or a book editor - DON&#039;T! And if you already are, think about how you can use your valuable skills in corporate communications and publishing, magazine publishing or PR where you&#039;ll be paid several times as much. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, you really need to pull your head out of your proverbial and know that an equal number of travesties are caused by arrogant  writers refusing the advice of editors, then being slammed by critics for sloppiness, or worse, poor editing. And please don&#8217;t justify your stand with, &#8220;we are the creators&#8221;. I have seen too many books reworked BY THE EDITOR &#8211; in &#8216;conjunction&#8217; with the author: re-working plot, and yes, uncovering historical absurdities (&#8220;Oh, but it&#8217;s fiction!!&#8221;). Many authors don&#8217;t know where to stick a comma or understand that it conveys meaning.<br />
I tell you what everyone, if you&#8217;re interested in becoming a copy-editor or a book editor &#8211; DON&#8217;T! And if you already are, think about how you can use your valuable skills in corporate communications and publishing, magazine publishing or PR where you&#8217;ll be paid several times as much. </p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elizabeth, There are two more (upcoming) parts to this blog, and your bad experiences (as you will see in Part II and Part III) are, alas, not unique!

LauraR]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth, There are two more (upcoming) parts to this blog, and your bad experiences (as you will see in Part II and Part III) are, alas, not unique!</p>
<p>LauraR</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Moon</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/copy-edits-part-1/comment-page-1#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes.  Hence the &quot;Stet Happens&quot; buttons we made up for sale at SFWA Emergency Medical Fund events.  Hence my newest sword&#039;s name (&quot;Stet!&quot;)   Bad copy editors are so busy re-writing the book that they miss the very errors they were hired to find.   On one ms. I had over a thousand STETs, and still found a typo or two the copy editor had missed.  (She didn&#039;t like my style or my topic, and had made snide remarks about me in the margin and on the style sheet.  I did complain to my editor about her.)

One problem for fiction writers, especially in fantasy, historical, and SF, is that &quot;house style&quot;--appropriate for contemporary books--may be inappropriate for specific fiction projects.   I had to fight hard to retain the ampersand in a commercial name in one series (the ampersand is part of the logo, as it is in some corporations now.)  We may be moving to gender-neutral terminology, but you don&#039;t &quot;staff&quot; the weapons on a ship or spaceship in combat: &quot;manned&quot; is the right term.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes.  Hence the &#8220;Stet Happens&#8221; buttons we made up for sale at SFWA Emergency Medical Fund events.  Hence my newest sword&#8217;s name (&#8220;Stet!&#8221;)   Bad copy editors are so busy re-writing the book that they miss the very errors they were hired to find.   On one ms. I had over a thousand STETs, and still found a typo or two the copy editor had missed.  (She didn&#8217;t like my style or my topic, and had made snide remarks about me in the margin and on the style sheet.  I did complain to my editor about her.)</p>
<p>One problem for fiction writers, especially in fantasy, historical, and SF, is that &#8220;house style&#8221;&#8211;appropriate for contemporary books&#8211;may be inappropriate for specific fiction projects.   I had to fight hard to retain the ampersand in a commercial name in one series (the ampersand is part of the logo, as it is in some corporations now.)  We may be moving to gender-neutral terminology, but you don&#8217;t &#8220;staff&#8221; the weapons on a ship or spaceship in combat: &#8220;manned&#8221; is the right term.</p>
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