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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/dodging-the-agent-bullet/comment-page-1#comment-24721</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s that link again, btw. My Writers Resources Page:

http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s that link again, btw. My Writers Resources Page:</p>
<p><a href="http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/dodging-the-agent-bullet/comment-page-1#comment-24720</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caryl,

Your instincts are right, in the sense that self-education is crucial for anyone who wants to work in this field. I recommend you start by exploring my Writers Resources Page, which has links to dozens of good websites, blogs, etc. I think if you set a goal of thoroughly exploring one link per day on that site for the next few months, you&#039;d feel a LOT more informed at the end of that project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caryl,</p>
<p>Your instincts are right, in the sense that self-education is crucial for anyone who wants to work in this field. I recommend you start by exploring my Writers Resources Page, which has links to dozens of good websites, blogs, etc. I think if you set a goal of thoroughly exploring one link per day on that site for the next few months, you&#8217;d feel a LOT more informed at the end of that project.</p>
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		<title>By: caryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>caryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm..this is very interesting. I&#039;m brand new at this. I&#039;ve had short pieces published and had my own newspaper column for seven years, but have never tackled writing a book. 

This is the second article I&#039;ve read that tells me I don&#039;t need an agent. I think I do since I know NOTHING about book publishing. I&#039;m feeling a bit vulnerable, though, for the same reason. Not sure what to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..this is very interesting. I&#8217;m brand new at this. I&#8217;ve had short pieces published and had my own newspaper column for seven years, but have never tackled writing a book. </p>
<p>This is the second article I&#8217;ve read that tells me I don&#8217;t need an agent. I think I do since I know NOTHING about book publishing. I&#8217;m feeling a bit vulnerable, though, for the same reason. Not sure what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Claude Nougat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claude Nougat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating and a very informative post, Laura, I really appreciate this! I have also had the frustrating experience of trying to get agented and getting nowhere...for a full year! Now I&#039;ve given up and self-published on the Kindle etc but it&#039;s not really what I wanted. I&#039;m old-fashioned enough to want to get published by a traditional publisher because I still believe in their gatekeeper role (even if Konrath does not!)

I&#039;ve never tried contacting editors directly and shall certainly look up that possibility now (shall do sofor my recently completed novels - not the one I published on Kindle which was in any case an adaptation in English of a book I published in Italian in 2007)

So many thanks for the advice!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating and a very informative post, Laura, I really appreciate this! I have also had the frustrating experience of trying to get agented and getting nowhere&#8230;for a full year! Now I&#8217;ve given up and self-published on the Kindle etc but it&#8217;s not really what I wanted. I&#8217;m old-fashioned enough to want to get published by a traditional publisher because I still believe in their gatekeeper role (even if Konrath does not!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never tried contacting editors directly and shall certainly look up that possibility now (shall do sofor my recently completed novels &#8211; not the one I published on Kindle which was in any case an adaptation in English of a book I published in Italian in 2007)</p>
<p>So many thanks for the advice!</p>
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		<title>By: E. P. Beaumont</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. P. Beaumont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the heart of this excellent column is a superb piece of advice:

Do the math.

There&#039;s nothing better for an artist (of any persuasion) than hard-headed empiricism. What did I do? What was the result? Never mind conventional wisdom, look at what&#039;s actually happening. 

I second the recommendation of Dean Wesley Smith&#039;s blog, because he gets into the dirty details: intellectual rights (your real source of money), royalties (and how they&#039;ve traditionally been obfuscated), and the frantic pace of change just now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of this excellent column is a superb piece of advice:</p>
<p>Do the math.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing better for an artist (of any persuasion) than hard-headed empiricism. What did I do? What was the result? Never mind conventional wisdom, look at what&#8217;s actually happening. </p>
<p>I second the recommendation of Dean Wesley Smith&#8217;s blog, because he gets into the dirty details: intellectual rights (your real source of money), royalties (and how they&#8217;ve traditionally been obfuscated), and the frantic pace of change just now.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Janis, that&#039;s a subject that could fill several more blog posts--and often hsa! For starters, I suggest you check out the &quot;Killing the Sacred Cows of Publishing&quot; series on Dean Wesley Smith&#039;s blog, specfically the set of blogs about agents and working without an agent. (Easy to find. Go to this link, then scroll down to &quot;Part Three,&quot; where you&#039;ll see about a dozen posts with &quot;Agent&quot; in the title. Read the discussions there, too, not just the blogs: http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?page_id=860 )


I&#039;d also suggest you check out my Writers Resources Page:
http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janis, that&#8217;s a subject that could fill several more blog posts&#8211;and often hsa! For starters, I suggest you check out the &#8220;Killing the Sacred Cows of Publishing&#8221; series on Dean Wesley Smith&#8217;s blog, specfically the set of blogs about agents and working without an agent. (Easy to find. Go to this link, then scroll down to &#8220;Part Three,&#8221; where you&#8217;ll see about a dozen posts with &#8220;Agent&#8221; in the title. Read the discussions there, too, not just the blogs: <a href="http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?page_id=860" rel="nofollow">http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/?page_id=860</a> )</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also suggest you check out my Writers Resources Page:<br />
<a href="http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Writing/Writers%20Resource.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Janis Susan May Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis Susan May Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for clarifying. I can only speak definitively from my own experience - which is dismal. I&#039;ve had four agents myself, all in the years before I had to quit writing for over ten years due to an illness in the family. One died, one quit the business and one - if I remember correctly - is now in federal prison on fraud charges. The fourth never sent out my books. The majority of my sales I&#039;ve made myself.

Which still leaves my main question unanswered. How does a writer, with good books and decent sales, break through that &#039;we don&#039;t look at unagented authors&#039; wall? I&#039;m not being belligerent or argumentative - I just want to know.

Thank you for being so open - I appreciate your insight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for clarifying. I can only speak definitively from my own experience &#8211; which is dismal. I&#8217;ve had four agents myself, all in the years before I had to quit writing for over ten years due to an illness in the family. One died, one quit the business and one &#8211; if I remember correctly &#8211; is now in federal prison on fraud charges. The fourth never sent out my books. The majority of my sales I&#8217;ve made myself.</p>
<p>Which still leaves my main question unanswered. How does a writer, with good books and decent sales, break through that &#8216;we don&#8217;t look at unagented authors&#8217; wall? I&#8217;m not being belligerent or argumentative &#8211; I just want to know.</p>
<p>Thank you for being so open &#8211; I appreciate your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Janis, you&#039;re reitering a common myth here: &quot;It&#039;s different for YOU, because of x, y, z!&quot; Nope.

As stated in the first paragraph, I sold 8 books on my own before I hired my first agent. I was a newcomer with no contacts, no name recognition, no experience, etc.

I also sold my 9th book on my own, because my first agent, who took me on when I supposedly had &quot;power&quot; you speak of, dumped me after 4 months.

Okay, fine I was a &quot;category romance&quot; writer back then, where havingg an agent was not &quot;essential.&quot; People back then nonetheless told me that you got better deals even at Harlequin if you had an agent. I got agent #2... and immediately discovered this wasn&#039;t true. And my income went DOWN then, because my agent didn&#039;t get me any more money (or any better terms) than I&#039;d been getting on my own--but now I was paying her 15% of my income.

I fired her and subsequently moved on to agent #3, because EVERYONE said I HAD TO have an agent if I wanted to sell &quot;single title&quot; books  (IOW, in the regular market, out of the Harlequin/Silhouette conglomerate). Well... actually, since #3 wasn&#039;t interested, -I- sold my 13th book to a regular publisher . At a time when, according to everyone I knew in the biz, I certainly did NOT have a position of power. But I had persistence. (Then #3 agent insisted I pay a full 15% commission on that deal just for #3 to accept the opening offer and boilerplate terms after I&#039;d done all the legwork.)
 
I&#039;ll skip over the next few years, which were a mixture of agent sales and my own sales, and cut to the months I hired #4. I was most certainly not in a position of &quot;power&quot; then. My only new novel in the stands in the past 3-4 years had been badly-published and had dismal, career-killing sales figures; the publisher who had done this to my career promptly canceled my contract and dumped me; and then I lost my agent #4. (Technically, I fired her. But that&#039;s a lot like sayin, &quot;I filed for divorce after discovering my spouse had moved out.&quot;) And in my hunt for agent #5, everyhone I queried turned me down. I was in a terrible career position, not in this position of &quot;power&quot; you&#039;re assuming.

If I&#039;ve got a &quot;position of power&quot; now, it&#039;s preciserly because I turned my career around then. As I had on other occasions.

While it&#039;s not the universal experience, my experience with agents is nonetheless depressingly common: I found time and time again that I couldn&#039;t count on them--and I hear all the time from writers who are discovering the same thing and, like me, finally quitting the agent-author business model (or at least thinking seriously about it).

In fact, never mind COUNT on them--I usually couldn&#039;t even get agents to submit my books to publishers. That&#039;s a big part of the reason I made most of my book sales myself even BEFORE I finally quit the agent-author paradigm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janis, you&#8217;re reitering a common myth here: &#8220;It&#8217;s different for YOU, because of x, y, z!&#8221; Nope.</p>
<p>As stated in the first paragraph, I sold 8 books on my own before I hired my first agent. I was a newcomer with no contacts, no name recognition, no experience, etc.</p>
<p>I also sold my 9th book on my own, because my first agent, who took me on when I supposedly had &#8220;power&#8221; you speak of, dumped me after 4 months.</p>
<p>Okay, fine I was a &#8220;category romance&#8221; writer back then, where havingg an agent was not &#8220;essential.&#8221; People back then nonetheless told me that you got better deals even at Harlequin if you had an agent. I got agent #2&#8230; and immediately discovered this wasn&#8217;t true. And my income went DOWN then, because my agent didn&#8217;t get me any more money (or any better terms) than I&#8217;d been getting on my own&#8211;but now I was paying her 15% of my income.</p>
<p>I fired her and subsequently moved on to agent #3, because EVERYONE said I HAD TO have an agent if I wanted to sell &#8220;single title&#8221; books  (IOW, in the regular market, out of the Harlequin/Silhouette conglomerate). Well&#8230; actually, since #3 wasn&#8217;t interested, -I- sold my 13th book to a regular publisher . At a time when, according to everyone I knew in the biz, I certainly did NOT have a position of power. But I had persistence. (Then #3 agent insisted I pay a full 15% commission on that deal just for #3 to accept the opening offer and boilerplate terms after I&#8217;d done all the legwork.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll skip over the next few years, which were a mixture of agent sales and my own sales, and cut to the months I hired #4. I was most certainly not in a position of &#8220;power&#8221; then. My only new novel in the stands in the past 3-4 years had been badly-published and had dismal, career-killing sales figures; the publisher who had done this to my career promptly canceled my contract and dumped me; and then I lost my agent #4. (Technically, I fired her. But that&#8217;s a lot like sayin, &#8220;I filed for divorce after discovering my spouse had moved out.&#8221;) And in my hunt for agent #5, everyhone I queried turned me down. I was in a terrible career position, not in this position of &#8220;power&#8221; you&#8217;re assuming.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve got a &#8220;position of power&#8221; now, it&#8217;s preciserly because I turned my career around then. As I had on other occasions.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s not the universal experience, my experience with agents is nonetheless depressingly common: I found time and time again that I couldn&#8217;t count on them&#8211;and I hear all the time from writers who are discovering the same thing and, like me, finally quitting the agent-author business model (or at least thinking seriously about it).</p>
<p>In fact, never mind COUNT on them&#8211;I usually couldn&#8217;t even get agents to submit my books to publishers. That&#8217;s a big part of the reason I made most of my book sales myself even BEFORE I finally quit the agent-author paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Janis Susan May Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janis Susan May Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate your stance, Laura, but you are arguing from a place of power. You&#039;re well-known. You&#039;ve sold beaucoup books. You can call an editor at a house that doesn&#039;t look at unagented authors and expect to be listened to. 

I may have sold a number of books (six this year alone) to e-, small and mid-list houses that accept unagented authors, but I&#039;m not well known. Even now when I contact an &#039;agent-only&#039; house I&#039;m given the party line of &#039;We don&#039;t look at unagented authors. Period.&#039; 

I&#039;ve queried over 100 agents and no one wants me. So - agents don&#039;t want me, the big houses won&#039;t even talk to me, but apparently the readers like me, because my sales are more than decent at the e-, small and mid-list houses that accept unagented authors. It doesn&#039;t make sense. I can&#039;t figure out how to make that last big step into the bigger, well-distributed houses. 

I don&#039;t want this to sound like a pity-party, or a bad case of the PLOMs, but it is a terrible frustration - Catch 22 at its worst. And, I suspect, there are a lot of other writers just like me - selling, but unable to make that last step.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your stance, Laura, but you are arguing from a place of power. You&#8217;re well-known. You&#8217;ve sold beaucoup books. You can call an editor at a house that doesn&#8217;t look at unagented authors and expect to be listened to. </p>
<p>I may have sold a number of books (six this year alone) to e-, small and mid-list houses that accept unagented authors, but I&#8217;m not well known. Even now when I contact an &#8216;agent-only&#8217; house I&#8217;m given the party line of &#8216;We don&#8217;t look at unagented authors. Period.&#8217; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve queried over 100 agents and no one wants me. So &#8211; agents don&#8217;t want me, the big houses won&#8217;t even talk to me, but apparently the readers like me, because my sales are more than decent at the e-, small and mid-list houses that accept unagented authors. It doesn&#8217;t make sense. I can&#8217;t figure out how to make that last big step into the bigger, well-distributed houses. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want this to sound like a pity-party, or a bad case of the PLOMs, but it is a terrible frustration &#8211; Catch 22 at its worst. And, I suspect, there are a lot of other writers just like me &#8211; selling, but unable to make that last step.</p>
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