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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-28076</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 22:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Laura,

Thanks for writing this, it&#039;s insightful to hear it from a copyright holder in an open debate, as it was reading your posts on the Magic: the Gathering novels that directed me to this post.

To follow up on a comment you posted there about sci-fi/fantasy being the biggest genre for fanfiction and the Star Trek copying analogy above, the reason that I think people want to write derivative works for sci-fi/fantasy and not for period fiction like Gone With the Wind is because with these works the universe forms part of the IP in a way that it doesn&#039;t for history.  This may seem to be stating the obvious, and sorry if it is, but these genres open up huge vistas of storytelling possibility that others don&#039;t.

So why not go off and write your own settings as well as  stories and characters?  I feel the answer to this lies in that the ideas people want to explore are so closely tied to the original IP that if expressed in another way they could amount to plagiarism.  For an example of this, see the Da Vinci Code vs Holy Blood, Holy Grail case; sometimes the ideas and the IP are hard to distinguish.

Not sure exactly whether there was any end point to this, just an observation I felt needed to be made.  Thanks for helping broaden my understanding!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laura,</p>
<p>Thanks for writing this, it&#8217;s insightful to hear it from a copyright holder in an open debate, as it was reading your posts on the Magic: the Gathering novels that directed me to this post.</p>
<p>To follow up on a comment you posted there about sci-fi/fantasy being the biggest genre for fanfiction and the Star Trek copying analogy above, the reason that I think people want to write derivative works for sci-fi/fantasy and not for period fiction like Gone With the Wind is because with these works the universe forms part of the IP in a way that it doesn&#8217;t for history.  This may seem to be stating the obvious, and sorry if it is, but these genres open up huge vistas of storytelling possibility that others don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>So why not go off and write your own settings as well as  stories and characters?  I feel the answer to this lies in that the ideas people want to explore are so closely tied to the original IP that if expressed in another way they could amount to plagiarism.  For an example of this, see the Da Vinci Code vs Holy Blood, Holy Grail case; sometimes the ideas and the IP are hard to distinguish.</p>
<p>Not sure exactly whether there was any end point to this, just an observation I felt needed to be made.  Thanks for helping broaden my understanding!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-26504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 07:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response.  That is what i was thinking would happen but i was just curious.  I was wondering about the ability to enforce the rights.  I didn&#039;t know how the rules worked so i didn&#039;t know how the interactions went.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response.  That is what i was thinking would happen but i was just curious.  I was wondering about the ability to enforce the rights.  I didn&#8217;t know how the rules worked so i didn&#8217;t know how the interactions went.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-26491</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle, your question covers a vast area of international struggle over intellectual property rights, which is as complex as international struggle and disagreement over rights of &quot;free expression&quot; in the internet era. (Ex. The 1st Amendment, let us recall, only applies locally, not internationally. In France and Germany, for example, Holocaust denial is illegal, whereas it&#039;s considered a Constitutional right in the US.) There are enormous cultural and legal differences which the internet era has made extremely complicated at the global level.

That said--intellectual property is property. I own my copyrights regardless of what society accesses the material. In practical terms, though, it&#039;s much harder to protect copyright in societies where the rule of law is weak and/or where the government itself doesn&#039;t protect copyright (or only protests it when there is self-interest involved for that government). Additionally, sueing or shutting down copyright violators in another country can be VERY complicated and expensive (and there is no guarantee of success).

So, realistically, I don&#039;t own my own intellectual property &quot;more&quot; or &quot;less&quot; depending on where it&#039;s accessed; but my ability to enforce my rights varies quite a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, your question covers a vast area of international struggle over intellectual property rights, which is as complex as international struggle and disagreement over rights of &#8220;free expression&#8221; in the internet era. (Ex. The 1st Amendment, let us recall, only applies locally, not internationally. In France and Germany, for example, Holocaust denial is illegal, whereas it&#8217;s considered a Constitutional right in the US.) There are enormous cultural and legal differences which the internet era has made extremely complicated at the global level.</p>
<p>That said&#8211;intellectual property is property. I own my copyrights regardless of what society accesses the material. In practical terms, though, it&#8217;s much harder to protect copyright in societies where the rule of law is weak and/or where the government itself doesn&#8217;t protect copyright (or only protests it when there is self-interest involved for that government). Additionally, sueing or shutting down copyright violators in another country can be VERY complicated and expensive (and there is no guarantee of success).</p>
<p>So, realistically, I don&#8217;t own my own intellectual property &#8220;more&#8221; or &#8220;less&#8221; depending on where it&#8217;s accessed; but my ability to enforce my rights varies quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-25683</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the inclusion of social media, youtube, etc. we are able to get access to many books, movies, graphic novels, etc. from all over the world.  How does copyright laws work then?  For example someone in country A which has really lax copy right laws reads a book from an author in country B which has really extensive copyright laws and writes a fan fic about the book.  What happens?  Does jurisdiction fall to country B where the book is published?   I understand that from an ethical standpoint this is mute, you shouldn&#039;t write fan fiction unless permission is granted, but am curious about conflicting copyright policies.  I dont know if this is a mute point or not im just wondering how it works globally.  I am a HUGE fan of anime and manga and these generate a lot of fan fictions from Americans even thought the original story might have come from Japan, China, Korea or somewhere else.  I do read fan fiction but i stick with the ones where writers give the ok for them to be made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the inclusion of social media, youtube, etc. we are able to get access to many books, movies, graphic novels, etc. from all over the world.  How does copyright laws work then?  For example someone in country A which has really lax copy right laws reads a book from an author in country B which has really extensive copyright laws and writes a fan fic about the book.  What happens?  Does jurisdiction fall to country B where the book is published?   I understand that from an ethical standpoint this is mute, you shouldn&#8217;t write fan fiction unless permission is granted, but am curious about conflicting copyright policies.  I dont know if this is a mute point or not im just wondering how it works globally.  I am a HUGE fan of anime and manga and these generate a lot of fan fictions from Americans even thought the original story might have come from Japan, China, Korea or somewhere else.  I do read fan fiction but i stick with the ones where writers give the ok for them to be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-20880</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marianne, no. 

Precisely as explained above, someone who lifts a general plot (ex. a willful Southern belle is wooed by a blockade runner during the Civil War) may be guilty of being unoriginal and shamelessly imitative, but that is NOT derivative work and does NOT violate anyone&#039;s licensing or intellectual property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne, no. </p>
<p>Precisely as explained above, someone who lifts a general plot (ex. a willful Southern belle is wooed by a blockade runner during the Civil War) may be guilty of being unoriginal and shamelessly imitative, but that is NOT derivative work and does NOT violate anyone&#8217;s licensing or intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-20587</link>
		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, someone who used Georgette Heyer&#039;s plots is writing derivative fiction and it&#039;s legal? (I own both the originals and the derivatives, read and re-read them all.) 

I&#039;m happy to know you two are still out there, as I never was able to thank Miss Heyer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, someone who used Georgette Heyer&#8217;s plots is writing derivative fiction and it&#8217;s legal? (I own both the originals and the derivatives, read and re-read them all.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to know you two are still out there, as I never was able to thank Miss Heyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-5225</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I don&#039;t think the problem of authorized, licensed, or public domain derivative works is what blurs the line. In much the way that I don&#039;t think graphic novels, movies, or gaming adaptations of novels, which are all derivative works, blur the line. (Similarly, fanfic crosses media boundaries, so that unauthorized prose stories may exist about a TV show which has never licensed published novels.)

I think the source of the problem is people wanting to write and publicly distribute derivative works =without= understanding intellectual property, the nature of authorization and licensing, or the differences between inspiration and derivation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think the problem of authorized, licensed, or public domain derivative works is what blurs the line. In much the way that I don&#8217;t think graphic novels, movies, or gaming adaptations of novels, which are all derivative works, blur the line. (Similarly, fanfic crosses media boundaries, so that unauthorized prose stories may exist about a TV show which has never licensed published novels.)</p>
<p>I think the source of the problem is people wanting to write and publicly distribute derivative works =without= understanding intellectual property, the nature of authorization and licensing, or the differences between inspiration and derivation.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen dreyer</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-5223</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen dreyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I do understand the difference. But don&#039;t you think that those blur the lines for people who are not so knowledgeable?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I do understand the difference. But don&#8217;t you think that those blur the lines for people who are not so knowledgeable?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-5214</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ghost of Jane Austen might be annoyed, but given how long she&#039;s been dead, there are no ethical or legal violations in writing fanfic or professional fiction about Mr. Darcy and Miss Bennett. 

Whether there are violations of good taste or artistic sensibility is another matter....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ghost of Jane Austen might be annoyed, but given how long she&#8217;s been dead, there are no ethical or legal violations in writing fanfic or professional fiction about Mr. Darcy and Miss Bennett. </p>
<p>Whether there are violations of good taste or artistic sensibility is another matter&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: eileen dreyer</title>
		<link>http://www.ninc.com/blog/index.php/archives/fan-fiction/comment-page-1#comment-5213</link>
		<dc:creator>eileen dreyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s one of the problems I have with all the P&amp;P derivative fiction out there. Jane Austen never got the chance to say, &quot;Sure, take the character I alone created, use him and/or her to your will, make money and dilute my reputation.&quot; I don&#039;t mind fanfic if it&#039;s private. But when you&#039;re getting paid for it, you owe something to the actual creator of the characters you&#039;re using. And more than just a &#039;Thanks, Jane.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s one of the problems I have with all the P&amp;P derivative fiction out there. Jane Austen never got the chance to say, &#8220;Sure, take the character I alone created, use him and/or her to your will, make money and dilute my reputation.&#8221; I don&#8217;t mind fanfic if it&#8217;s private. But when you&#8217;re getting paid for it, you owe something to the actual creator of the characters you&#8217;re using. And more than just a &#8216;Thanks, Jane.&#8217;</p>
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