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		<title>By: walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 07:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i found both comments helpful thank you</description>
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		<title>By: sophia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 12:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karrie Osterhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karrie Osterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An impressive share, I simply given this onto a colleague who was doing just a little analysis on this. And he in fact bought me breakfast because I found it for him.. smile. So let me reword that: Thnx for the deal with! However yeah Thnkx for spending the time to discuss this, I really feel strongly about it and love studying extra on this topic. If doable, as you turn into experience, would you mind updating your blog with extra details? It is extremely useful for me. Big thumb up for this blog put up!	 Golf is a good walk spoiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An impressive share, I simply given this onto a colleague who was doing just a little analysis on this. And he in fact bought me breakfast because I found it for him.. smile. So let me reword that: Thnx for the deal with! However yeah Thnkx for spending the time to discuss this, I really feel strongly about it and love studying extra on this topic. If doable, as you turn into experience, would you mind updating your blog with extra details? It is extremely useful for me. Big thumb up for this blog put up!	 Golf is a good walk spoiled.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xlibris is a fraudulent, dishonest and incompetent, disaster zone. Xlibris is nothing more than a quick-buck scam printer, posing as a &quot;print-on-demand publisher&quot;, and it has one of the highest complaints percentages for a small business of it&#039;s type - with numerous civil legal proceedings for fraud and libel - including one major one that is currently in the Indiana courts and when the judgement is made public in Spring 2011, will likely make the Rebecca Brandewyne/Authorhouse saga look like a walk in the park. (Word is they&#039;re going to need to remortgage a few houses to cover the damages on this latest libel case) Xlibris was started in the late 1990s in a parents&#039; basement, and was previously run out of a garage/home office in Philadelphia, but in the last year moved to the Author Solutions call-center with partner frauds, AuthorHouse (which has a long legal history - just Google &quot;Authorhouse Scam&quot; to find out) and Searchforpublishers.com - the quintessential Author trap. As of December 2010, Xlibris owes huge back taxes to the IRS and is currently carrying huge liabilities that Mr Princeton CEO Kevin Weiss has strategized to rescue with disturbingly dubious &quot;publish 2 for 1&quot; / &quot;publish for a buck&quot; coupon deals which any writer, however good or bad, should stay well clear. Their book production is dogshit like their customer service. Piers Anthony, one of the website&#039;s English owners, one of the swarming flies who still fronts this scam, is a failed British &quot;published author&quot; and part time con-man who lives in Florida, and has a few skeletons of his own - including a 20-year old criminal record in the UK for serious sexual misconduct, fraud and theft. Yes, Random House does still own a percentage - but let&#039;s be clear folks, Random House has a sleeping stake much the same way that Microsoft partially owns the adult services site, Ingenio/Niteflirt and don&#039;t they keep that very quiet. RH makes VERY CLEAR that Xlibris books have nothing to do with RH. The Xlibris website contains inept, vague material which is more confusing than helpful, and makes wild inconsistent boasts about how the company has &quot;600 staff&quot; on one page, yet, on another page mysteriously has &quot;300 employees&quot;. The company actually has 3 full time employees, (including Mr Ivy League Kevin Weiss), and at any one time up to 10 part time workers, most of whom are part-time college students who know virtually nothing about publishing except high school english and how to make a greasy $10/hour. The problems with printing at Xlibris are as long as Authorhouse&#039;s scam history, they are a disgusting company and I&#039;m sorry they ever crossed paths with my work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xlibris is a fraudulent, dishonest and incompetent, disaster zone. Xlibris is nothing more than a quick-buck scam printer, posing as a &#8220;print-on-demand publisher&#8221;, and it has one of the highest complaints percentages for a small business of it&#8217;s type &#8211; with numerous civil legal proceedings for fraud and libel &#8211; including one major one that is currently in the Indiana courts and when the judgement is made public in Spring 2011, will likely make the Rebecca Brandewyne/Authorhouse saga look like a walk in the park. (Word is they&#8217;re going to need to remortgage a few houses to cover the damages on this latest libel case) Xlibris was started in the late 1990s in a parents&#8217; basement, and was previously run out of a garage/home office in Philadelphia, but in the last year moved to the Author Solutions call-center with partner frauds, AuthorHouse (which has a long legal history &#8211; just Google &#8220;Authorhouse Scam&#8221; to find out) and Searchforpublishers.com &#8211; the quintessential Author trap. As of December 2010, Xlibris owes huge back taxes to the IRS and is currently carrying huge liabilities that Mr Princeton CEO Kevin Weiss has strategized to rescue with disturbingly dubious &#8220;publish 2 for 1&#8243; / &#8220;publish for a buck&#8221; coupon deals which any writer, however good or bad, should stay well clear. Their book production is dogshit like their customer service. Piers Anthony, one of the website&#8217;s English owners, one of the swarming flies who still fronts this scam, is a failed British &#8220;published author&#8221; and part time con-man who lives in Florida, and has a few skeletons of his own &#8211; including a 20-year old criminal record in the UK for serious sexual misconduct, fraud and theft. Yes, Random House does still own a percentage &#8211; but let&#8217;s be clear folks, Random House has a sleeping stake much the same way that Microsoft partially owns the adult services site, Ingenio/Niteflirt and don&#8217;t they keep that very quiet. RH makes VERY CLEAR that Xlibris books have nothing to do with RH. The Xlibris website contains inept, vague material which is more confusing than helpful, and makes wild inconsistent boasts about how the company has &#8220;600 staff&#8221; on one page, yet, on another page mysteriously has &#8220;300 employees&#8221;. The company actually has 3 full time employees, (including Mr Ivy League Kevin Weiss), and at any one time up to 10 part time workers, most of whom are part-time college students who know virtually nothing about publishing except high school english and how to make a greasy $10/hour. The problems with printing at Xlibris are as long as Authorhouse&#8217;s scam history, they are a disgusting company and I&#8217;m sorry they ever crossed paths with my work.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to this bru ha ha, but holy crap on a cracker. Laura, I highly respect your views and opinions with regards to agents, but when it comes to self-publishing, since you clearly seem to have never done it, please refrain. 

I don&#039;t think I could throw a rock at this article and hit a fact, just a bunch of tired stereotypes. While Dean kills a bunch of sacred cows of publishing over on his blog, perhaps the sacred cows related to self-publishing, should be revisited if that isn&#039;t too uncomfortable for people.

This must be what it would have been like to read something written by a Dinosaur about how swimmingly great things were going, right before the ice age.

I am an indie author, to those who don&#039;t like that term cause it makes me sound like more than a bottom feeding reject, &quot;self-published.&quot; Or, excuse me... self-PRINTED.  

The truth of the matter is that I think trad publishing is fairly stupid. You&#039;ve pointed out yourself it&#039;s an illogical business model, yet you&#039;re like &quot;whoo hoo let&#039;s keep doing it.&quot; Having been raised by a family of entrepreneurs (which is probably rather similar to being raised by wolves), I really can&#039;t participate in an illogical business model.

I want creative control.

I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware of indie musicians and indie filmmakers. No one denigrates what they are doing to the level you have attempted to denigrate the indie author in this post.

Why is it SO important that everyone agree that self-publishing is what &quot;fake writers&quot; do? You&#039;ve claimed yourself to be independently minded and so you went against the grain with regards to agents. Well some of us are opting out of the entire convoluted system.

And because there seems to not have been much of a strong attempt to name some self-publishing success stories:

Jeremy Robinson 

Pamela Aidan, who self-published her fiction as a business decision and turned down Simon and Schuster three times before finally accepting an offer. I&#039;m assuming they finally pulled their heads out of their posterior regions and made her a decent offer befitting of the work she&#039;d already done.

Raul Ramos Y Sanchez 

Jeff Rivera 

Still Alice was self-published by Lisa Genova 

Diary of a Wimpy Kid was originally self-published online before it was picked up by a major publisher and became a best-seller.

Connie Shelton has been self-publishing her Charlie Parker mystery series for years under her own self-created imprint, Intrigue Press. She later branched out to publish other authors.

The well known Ellora&#039;s Cave romance e-publishing house was originally an expanded self-publishing enterprise, as the founder was publishing her own work at the site as well.
 
I could go on for ages here. These kinds of stories used to be pretty rare but they are becoming less rare. 

Having said all that, *I* am not interested in a mainstream publishing contract for my own work. I *like* self-publishing. The Internet is big. I will never run out of people to reach on the internet, and if I write good enough books, with systems in place like Amazon&#039;s amazing filtering system that helps readers find other similar books, I will slowly rise in the ranks.

My first release, a paranormal romance novella called Kept, has at one point been number 592 in the Kindle store, and number 9 in vampire romance books (on the whole of Amazon.)  I am a no name. Unless you&#039;ve seen my loud mouth ranting and raving somewhere else on this topic on the Internet, it&#039;s likely you&#039;ve never heard of me.

I&#039;ve sold over 4,000 copies of Kept in the Kindle store. My second book under this pen name is coming out next month in E and in May in print using Lightning Source for printing and distribution. (Yes I self-publish under more than one pen name and imprint, &quot;Zoe Winters&quot; is the most vocal of my writing identities).  Now this may not be a number that makes your jaw drop on the floor but I&#039;m just getting started. 

I fully expect to have built a strong audience, directly interfacing with my readers online and with a backlist within 10 years. We&#039;re in year two. I expect to start to hit critical mass by year five or six.

And while I don&#039;t want to disabuse anyone of their stereotypes (actually, that&#039;s a lie. I take great pleasure in disabusing people of their stereotypes), I have no intention of selling primary rights to anything to a traditional publisher. Unless doing so would make me ludicrously rich, I don&#039;t see a reason to give up the two things I love doing most, which is writing AND publishing.

Please consider interacting with and learning more about the vibrant and growing indie author community before trotting out an understanding of self-publishing that is more than a decade old and even then, quite flawed. Stick to what you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to this bru ha ha, but holy crap on a cracker. Laura, I highly respect your views and opinions with regards to agents, but when it comes to self-publishing, since you clearly seem to have never done it, please refrain. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I could throw a rock at this article and hit a fact, just a bunch of tired stereotypes. While Dean kills a bunch of sacred cows of publishing over on his blog, perhaps the sacred cows related to self-publishing, should be revisited if that isn&#8217;t too uncomfortable for people.</p>
<p>This must be what it would have been like to read something written by a Dinosaur about how swimmingly great things were going, right before the ice age.</p>
<p>I am an indie author, to those who don&#8217;t like that term cause it makes me sound like more than a bottom feeding reject, &#8220;self-published.&#8221; Or, excuse me&#8230; self-PRINTED.  </p>
<p>The truth of the matter is that I think trad publishing is fairly stupid. You&#8217;ve pointed out yourself it&#8217;s an illogical business model, yet you&#8217;re like &#8220;whoo hoo let&#8217;s keep doing it.&#8221; Having been raised by a family of entrepreneurs (which is probably rather similar to being raised by wolves), I really can&#8217;t participate in an illogical business model.</p>
<p>I want creative control.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware of indie musicians and indie filmmakers. No one denigrates what they are doing to the level you have attempted to denigrate the indie author in this post.</p>
<p>Why is it SO important that everyone agree that self-publishing is what &#8220;fake writers&#8221; do? You&#8217;ve claimed yourself to be independently minded and so you went against the grain with regards to agents. Well some of us are opting out of the entire convoluted system.</p>
<p>And because there seems to not have been much of a strong attempt to name some self-publishing success stories:</p>
<p>Jeremy Robinson </p>
<p>Pamela Aidan, who self-published her fiction as a business decision and turned down Simon and Schuster three times before finally accepting an offer. I&#8217;m assuming they finally pulled their heads out of their posterior regions and made her a decent offer befitting of the work she&#8217;d already done.</p>
<p>Raul Ramos Y Sanchez </p>
<p>Jeff Rivera </p>
<p>Still Alice was self-published by Lisa Genova </p>
<p>Diary of a Wimpy Kid was originally self-published online before it was picked up by a major publisher and became a best-seller.</p>
<p>Connie Shelton has been self-publishing her Charlie Parker mystery series for years under her own self-created imprint, Intrigue Press. She later branched out to publish other authors.</p>
<p>The well known Ellora&#8217;s Cave romance e-publishing house was originally an expanded self-publishing enterprise, as the founder was publishing her own work at the site as well.</p>
<p>I could go on for ages here. These kinds of stories used to be pretty rare but they are becoming less rare. </p>
<p>Having said all that, *I* am not interested in a mainstream publishing contract for my own work. I *like* self-publishing. The Internet is big. I will never run out of people to reach on the internet, and if I write good enough books, with systems in place like Amazon&#8217;s amazing filtering system that helps readers find other similar books, I will slowly rise in the ranks.</p>
<p>My first release, a paranormal romance novella called Kept, has at one point been number 592 in the Kindle store, and number 9 in vampire romance books (on the whole of Amazon.)  I am a no name. Unless you&#8217;ve seen my loud mouth ranting and raving somewhere else on this topic on the Internet, it&#8217;s likely you&#8217;ve never heard of me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sold over 4,000 copies of Kept in the Kindle store. My second book under this pen name is coming out next month in E and in May in print using Lightning Source for printing and distribution. (Yes I self-publish under more than one pen name and imprint, &#8220;Zoe Winters&#8221; is the most vocal of my writing identities).  Now this may not be a number that makes your jaw drop on the floor but I&#8217;m just getting started. </p>
<p>I fully expect to have built a strong audience, directly interfacing with my readers online and with a backlist within 10 years. We&#8217;re in year two. I expect to start to hit critical mass by year five or six.</p>
<p>And while I don&#8217;t want to disabuse anyone of their stereotypes (actually, that&#8217;s a lie. I take great pleasure in disabusing people of their stereotypes), I have no intention of selling primary rights to anything to a traditional publisher. Unless doing so would make me ludicrously rich, I don&#8217;t see a reason to give up the two things I love doing most, which is writing AND publishing.</p>
<p>Please consider interacting with and learning more about the vibrant and growing indie author community before trotting out an understanding of self-publishing that is more than a decade old and even then, quite flawed. Stick to what you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I locate further information about this please? This has made my day. Good stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I locate further information about this please? This has made my day. Good stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, 

My books are all listed on my website at www.LauraResnick.com. A printable booklist is on this page: 
http://www.sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Laura/PrintableLists.htm


Laura Resnick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, </p>
<p>My books are all listed on my website at <a href="http://www.LauraResnick.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.LauraResnick.com</a>. A printable booklist is on this page:<br />
<a href="http://www.sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Laura/PrintableLists.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sff.net/people/laresnick/About%20Laura/PrintableLists.htm</a></p>
<p>Laura Resnick</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathleen tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi! it&#039;s really nice reading what you&#039;ve written on your site,i am a student journalist,may i know the books you&#039;ve published?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi! it&#8217;s really nice reading what you&#8217;ve written on your site,i am a student journalist,may i know the books you&#8217;ve published?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Resnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, your post makes having written the article worthwhile. You&#039;re exactly the sort of writer I was thinking of when I decided to write it. Thanks for commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, your post makes having written the article worthwhile. You&#8217;re exactly the sort of writer I was thinking of when I decided to write it. Thanks for commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen O'Keefe-Kanavos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen O'Keefe-Kanavos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, Your exceptional article explained the difference between traditional, self and vanity publishing better than anything else I have read. Being a new, inexperienced and egar writer, this part of publishing is the most difficult to navaigate. It is very easy to become impatient, frightened that in all the competition your work will be overlooked, or desperate enough to believe the flattery offered by vanity publishers. (Yes, I had a few call.) New writers are often &quot;babes in the woods&quot; and easy prey.  If I came way with one conclusion after reading your article, it is this: If your book is not doing well in traditional publishing competition perhaps it still needs work.  Spend your money wisely by taking writing calss, join writing groups lead by traditionally published writers.  Spend your time and money perfecting your craft. When something sounds too good to be true it usually is.  &quot;Vanity Publishing&quot; sounds too good to be true...and it is. It&#039;s a real nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, Your exceptional article explained the difference between traditional, self and vanity publishing better than anything else I have read. Being a new, inexperienced and egar writer, this part of publishing is the most difficult to navaigate. It is very easy to become impatient, frightened that in all the competition your work will be overlooked, or desperate enough to believe the flattery offered by vanity publishers. (Yes, I had a few call.) New writers are often &#8220;babes in the woods&#8221; and easy prey.  If I came way with one conclusion after reading your article, it is this: If your book is not doing well in traditional publishing competition perhaps it still needs work.  Spend your money wisely by taking writing calss, join writing groups lead by traditionally published writers.  Spend your time and money perfecting your craft. When something sounds too good to be true it usually is.  &#8220;Vanity Publishing&#8221; sounds too good to be true&#8230;and it is. It&#8217;s a real nightmare.</p>
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